185kw turbo built na6 engine -what do I need?
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185kw turbo built na6 engine -what do I need?
Hi all,
So I've decide to go turbo and have the following.
Begi exhaust manifold.
T28 turbo.
Sump with oil return.
Water and oil lines.
Eagle H beam forged rods. (Came with forged pistons but 2 are scored)
Dump pipe.
Rx8 injectors.
Toyota COPS.
Nitrodann coolant reroute.
MS2.
Yet to source a tube and fin cooler and make my own alloy piping.
Apparently I'd need to run 16psi at 6,000rpm to get 185kw atw.
Will be paying to have the head and block machined and head assembled with new valve stem seals etc.
Crank will also be machined.
Questions below:
1.Before I do this, should I be going for an increase in piston size and what compression are people running?
The forged pistons are 8.5 but should I go higher or lower. Some people have said that even stock 9.5 pistons would be adequate but I'm not so sure and don't want to skimp on the bottom end.
2. What bearings should I use?
3. Do I need to remove a lug to run water cooling for the turbo?
4. Would regular rebuild gaskets suit or do I need something special?
5. Including injectors; how much would an e85 set up cost me (parts)?
I.thought I'd be able to achieve my goal on 98 but would be good to know.
What have I missed?
Thank you very much,
Steve
So I've decide to go turbo and have the following.
Begi exhaust manifold.
T28 turbo.
Sump with oil return.
Water and oil lines.
Eagle H beam forged rods. (Came with forged pistons but 2 are scored)
Dump pipe.
Rx8 injectors.
Toyota COPS.
Nitrodann coolant reroute.
MS2.
Yet to source a tube and fin cooler and make my own alloy piping.
Apparently I'd need to run 16psi at 6,000rpm to get 185kw atw.
Will be paying to have the head and block machined and head assembled with new valve stem seals etc.
Crank will also be machined.
Questions below:
1.Before I do this, should I be going for an increase in piston size and what compression are people running?
The forged pistons are 8.5 but should I go higher or lower. Some people have said that even stock 9.5 pistons would be adequate but I'm not so sure and don't want to skimp on the bottom end.
2. What bearings should I use?
3. Do I need to remove a lug to run water cooling for the turbo?
4. Would regular rebuild gaskets suit or do I need something special?
5. Including injectors; how much would an e85 set up cost me (parts)?
I.thought I'd be able to achieve my goal on 98 but would be good to know.
What have I missed?
Thank you very much,
Steve
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Re: 185kw turbo built na6 engine -what do I need?
speed wrote:What have I missed?
Cost of repairing/upgrading gearbox, differential and associated components.
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Re: 185kw turbo built na6 engine -what do I need?
5. an off the shelf solution https://www.flyinmiata.com/fm-nb-big-flex-fuel-kit.html
If you had access to a car like this, would you take it back right away? Neither would I.
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Re: 185kw turbo built na6 engine -what do I need?
Clutch upgrade? Or are you already running something stronger than stock?
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Re: 185kw turbo built na6 engine -what do I need?
You could just install a V6. 185kw's and no turbo.
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Re: 185kw turbo built na6 engine -what do I need?
speed wrote:Hi all,
So I've decide to go turbo and have the following.
Begi exhaust manifold.
T28 turbo.
Sump with oil return.
Water and oil lines.
Eagle H beam forged rods. (Came with forged pistons but 2 are scored)
Dump pipe.
Rx8 injectors.
Toyota COPS.
Nitrodann coolant reroute.
MS2.
Yet to source a tube and fin cooler and make my own alloy piping.
Apparently I'd need to run 16psi at 6,000rpm to get 185kw atw.
Will be paying to have the head and block machined and head assembled with new valve stem seals etc.
Crank will also be machined.
Questions below:
1.Before I do this, should I be going for an increase in piston size and what compression are people running?
The forged pistons are 8.5 but should I go higher or lower. Some people have said that even stock 9.5 pistons would be adequate but I'm not so sure and don't want to skimp on the bottom end.
Stock to 9 ish on 98, stock pistons and rings are fine if healthy.
2. What bearings should I use?
OEM is fine.
3. Do I need to remove a lug to run water cooling for the turbo?
Forget the water cooling. But if you absolutely feel the need check the miataturbo wiki
4. Would regular rebuild gaskets suit or do I need something special?
OEM
5. Including injectors; how much would an e85 set up cost me (parts)?
I.thought I'd be able to achieve my goal on 98 but would be good to know.
You can easily, if you want to.run united every day just fit a walbro 255 intank for 170 and id725 for 800
What have I missed?
Thank you very much,
Steve
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speed wrote:If I was to do it again, I wouldn't even consider the supercharger.
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Okibi wrote:5. an off the shelf solution https://www.flyinmiata.com/fm-nb-big-flex-fuel-kit.html
Will check that out right now. Thankyou!
lightyear wrote:You could just install a V6. 185kw's and no turbo.
Really want an engineered turbo 4.
ManiacLachy wrote:Clutch upgrade? Or are you already running something stronger than stock?
Already have an upgraded clutch

1green5 wrote:speed wrote:What have I missed?
Cost of repairing/upgrading gearbox, differential and associated components.
Already have a 4.1 torsen. The gearbox is a weak link but I'm a very simpathetic driver.
Is the engine stuff that I want to sort out before I arrange machining.

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Re: 185kw turbo built na6 engine -what do I need?
Bigger brakes, NA8/NB8A minimum.
Also +1 for the V6.
Also +1 for the V6.
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chrons_rotary wrote:Bigger brakes, NA8/NB8A minimum.
Also +1 for the V6.
Got those too. Really want engine specs, namely pistons and water line bung.
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Re: 185kw turbo built na6 engine -what do I need?
I posted answers to both.
Leave the pistons stock.
Dont run water. If you have to run water the info with pics is in the miata turbo wiki.
Leave the pistons stock.
Dont run water. If you have to run water the info with pics is in the miata turbo wiki.
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chrons_rotary wrote:http://miataturbo.wikidot.com/water-lines
Thanks Ken

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NitroDann wrote:
Questions below:
1.Before I do this, should I be going for an increase in piston size and what compression are people running?
The forged pistons are 8.5 but should I go higher or lower. Some people have said that even stock 9.5 pistons would be adequate but I'm not so sure and don't want to skimp on the bottom end.
Stock to 9 ish on 98, stock pistons and rings are fine if healthy.
Sorry Dann, I must have missed this post. Really appreciate your responses.
By 9ish, do you mean 9.0:1 and can I get away with a thick head gasket?
If so any idea how thick?
Also would stock pistons handle 16-20psi if tuned correctly?
Thanks again,
Steve
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Re: 185kw turbo built na6 engine -what do I need?
Stock pistons will go deep into the 300whps
9:1 is fine, Id say just use your original ones and rering if necessary.
Dann
9:1 is fine, Id say just use your original ones and rering if necessary.
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speed wrote:If I was to do it again, I wouldn't even consider the supercharger.
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NitroDann wrote:Stock pistons will go deep into the 300whps
9:1 is fine, Id say just use your original ones and rering if necessary.
Dann
Ok great. Thank you very much.
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