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Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby jakdh » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:39 am

Okay so I didn't really know where to post this but I am new to mx5 car talk and I need help badly with my 2000 year mx 5 NB. I don't know much about cars in general but this problem has made me spend so much money and time on the car trying to figure out what is happening and after a year of the same issue I really don't know what to do.

The car has 160 000 on it and basically the only way I can explain this is if I tell the whole story...

It all started when I first bought the car a year ago, my first car and I loved it to bits but I didn't know that the rain rails needed cleaning every once and a while otherwise they will get clogged and flood the car so the car flooded the passenger side floor which I then found out the ecu sits there under where a passengers feet would be ( if I am correct). After this the car would stall when I was coming up to stop signs or red lights.

I took it to a mechanic which said the ecu had water in it so the ecu got rebuilt which it was ether that or a new ecu. Shortly after that the car started stalling again when the car was warm and running for 20 mins to half an hour when I would come to a stop after driving it. The car would sometimes idle really badly when it was cold or warm and sometimes felt like it was about to stall. So after many many mechanics and searching forums I still cant solve the issue and it has gotten worse.

Two days ago I was driving it around to see if the problem was still there and it started stalling when I was coming to a stop at traffic lights. I then accelerated a bit to stop it from stalling, the lights went green and all I could think of doing is trying to get it onto the footpath to try and not block up a 3 lane road. I then got it off the clutch and into first gear and then second. While I was in second gear it was revving really erratically without me touching the gas peddle any less or more. When I say erratically I mean jumping from 2k to 4k to 5 and anywhere in between all without me pressing the gas peddle any more or less almost like the car was going to stall in gear but with the revvs jumping around. The car then stalled so I turned the car off and waited for half an hour for it to cool down on the footpath I found a driveway onto. After that it started just fine, drove for half an hour without stalling or jumping around in the rpm but when I was coming to a stop, about 45 mins of driving passes and the car stalls again ( 20 mins from home luckily) and I did the same thing, turned the car off and left it for half an hour and tried to start it again and it started.

A few things about the issue I have noticed:
1. It doesn't happen regularly and almost always seems to be when I have been driving the car for at least half an hour or more
2. Sometimes the car does not start first go when cold or warm
3. The service records don't accelerate tell me what parts where replaced or where a issue was so I don't know what to replace and what needs replacing
4. When it would stall it wouldn't start after the stall, it would just turn over and when I got out of the car and got someone to try start it to see if the spark plugs where sparking they were not sparking. After waiting till the car cooled down the car's spark plugs would start sparking again and the car would start without any hesitation.
5. The rpm jumping was while I was in gear and the car almost felt like it was trying to stall but still the rpm jumping up and down without me touching the peddle any harder or softer which I still do not understand.

I have read a lot about the idle drop issue when it drops almost to stalling point and I have got a vague idea on what could be the issues. From what I have read it could be caused by any of these parts;
1. Idle Air Control Valve
2. A dirty air filter causing dust or grime in the throttle body which could cover those idle controller thingo's
3. Fuel pump or fuel filter
4. A vacuum leak ether in the gasket seal or one of the hoses to do with the air intake
5. Spark plugs, Coils or something to do with the spark side of things.

Now I am no mechanic and I do not consider my self that knowledgeable on cars or mx 5's but after working to get this problem solved with many mechanics/garages/friends that are mechanics and don't charge me for there time :D I have learned quite a bit and I can only assume that something along those lines of parts and ideas on the issue that could be the issue with the stalling when coming to a stop. So in my head the way I am thinking is if the stalling stops and the idle problem is fixed when slowing down to a stop, is that going to kill two birds with one stone? both the idle and stalling issue could be solved with the ideas I have above but what about the jumping of rpm and stalling when in gear? would that have anything to do with the idle air control valve or the issue of the stalling when coming to a stop or could that be a separate problem needing to be solved after I get a stable idle.

I am sorry for the essay that I have wrote but I really don't know what else to do. The problem seems unsolvable and I have no where else to go except here. I hope I have posted this in the right section as I am new on this forum so sorry to the admins if its in the wrong place. Any information or help is so so sooo appreciated as every mechanic I have shown the issue to has said they have no idea and by the way things are turning out it looks like I am going to have to replace every part in the car to figure out the problem. If I knew the car would have this much issues before I bought it I wouldn't of got it in the first place but I am stuck with it now, I have spent so much money and time on people trying to figure it out and no one has and I cant sell it while it is this dangerous. As my first car I can honestly say its turned me off driving a car ever again let alone buying a Mazda again. At the moment with the stalling thing the other day I nearly crashed because of it stalling and having no breaks at 70 so this is the cars last chance, ether these last parts get bought and hopefully it gets fixed or the car gets towed to the wreckers.

Thanks for reading and I hope someone can help.
Cheers

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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby MrRevhead » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:54 am

Welcome to the forum.

Considering you have already determined that the ECU was water damaged, I would replace it with a second hand unit. I don't know how a mechanic could 'refurbish/rebuild' the ECU...possibly soak it in isopropyl alcohol to clean it, but that is not a full proof way of ensuring you wouldn't have any problems in the future. I assume you have an NB8A, and from memory, they don't have an immobiliser coded ECU, so a replacement 2nd hand unit should be quite affordable and easily obtainable (try sourcing from one of the forum sponsors).

In addition to the above, change the idle control valve.

Also consider cleaning/checking the MAF sensor. You might want to do this first before exploring the above two options.

Best of luck!
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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby jakdh » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:00 am

Thanks for such a fast reply! yeah I thought the mechanic would straight up replace it but seeing as it was cheaper to rebuild I decided to do that instead. Ill give all the ideas a go today and see what happens but I really don't know what is going on.

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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby Nevyn72 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:01 am

Welcome to the forum jakdh, you should have come here sooner! :mrgreen:

Some random thoughts;
- heat related - CAS?
- water damage - replace ECU (someone may have one you can borrow to test) plus check wiring for water damage as well.
- the way the revs jump around so much suggests some sort of electrical problem, either a signal to the ECU or ECU itself.

Was there any sign of the problem before the flooding?

It would be good if you could let us know where you are located as there may be someone local to help out with greater MX5 experience and/or parts to try out. :wink:
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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby jakdh » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:06 am

Umm well first what is the CAS? The problems where not there when I first got the car it only happened after the flooding thing and I am located in Turramurra, Sydney NSW.

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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby MrRevhead » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:20 am

If a local forum member is unable to assist you, consider dropping by http://www.mx5mania.com.au/ in Dural (not too far from you).

They will sort out the problem as they have extensive knowledge on MX5s (and heaps of second hand spares).
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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby 93_Clubman » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:23 am

Unfortunately this isn't uncommon & I'm not aware of an ECU being completely resurrected after flooding. Additionally, the wiring loom can act as a wick & so the moisture can spread even further. Replacing the ECU & drying out the wiring loom might have helped back then, but now a year later it might not be as effective. However, if you decide to keep the car this is where I'd start, as well as inspecting & checking all the electrics.

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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby david_syd_au » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:44 am

+1 vote for the ECU being the primary problem.
I have an ECU from a JDM 1998 NB that you can borrow to see if that fixes the problem. Anyone know for sure that it will be compatible with an Aus NB8A?
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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby jakdh » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:51 am

Thanks for the response's. I am going to the mechanic to see what exactly he did to the ecu and then I am calling mx5 mania and see what they think of the problem. Then the only problem will be getting it to dural alive haha

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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby markwid » Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:22 pm

+1. Probably best to get the mx-5 specialist to work on this.

MrRevhead wrote:If a local forum member is unable to assist you, consider dropping by http://www.mx5mania.com.au/ in Dural (not too far from you).

They will sort out the problem as they have extensive knowledge on MX5s (and heaps of second hand spares).

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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby Mr Morlock » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:31 pm

In the end no one here can tell you what is wrong- suggestions yes but for most of us many of these things are the province of trained mechanics. A list of random items does not help much apart from a little more stress. I would suggest if you are not confident with the mechanic try someone else. If the car is not drivable or likely to breakdown then think about joining NRMA. A mechanic who specialises in diagnostics can be useful- if they can replicate the problem they can probably fix it. You can also arrange for a flat top to take it to a repairer or NRMA probably have a free tow up to so many kms.

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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby jakdh » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:08 pm

Yeah I know I am better off talking to mechanics but I know other people have had this issue and I just wanted to see if there was a definite fix for it from someone with a similar issue but all of the above has just added to my suspicion that the previous mechanic didn't fix it or solve the issue with the ecu so yeah all opinions I can get will help me in the end. Thanks

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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby Aussie Stig » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:22 pm

Camhaft position sensor, cheap fix.
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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby jakdh » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:17 pm

Really? I hope it is because that would be great. Will definitely give it a go. cheers

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Re: Newbie to the forum and need help with my NB

Postby speed » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:36 pm

Jakdh, welcome to the forum.
Sorry to read that you've had issues. I applaud the fact that you've taken the time to best describe them.
Although I'm unable to advise you how to fix the issue I do suggest that you start with the free stuff first.
Try swapping the ecu over and test. Also try the CAS (crank angle sensor). If you're still having issues, contact mania and go from there.
If the nb is in the same as the NA then the CAS is at the top of the back of the motor on the drivers side.

Good luck and once you get it sorted please let us know what the gremlin was. :)


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