Favourite Tires

[de Bounce]

Is the problem that we are not comparing apples with apples with the RE001's

Joining CB here. I have the Aussie made RE001's, same size (195/50/15) and their shocking in the wet, even a set of R888's with 20% tread left do better.

From what I have established from the various threads in this forum, the Aussie RE001's are crap and the Jap ones are great.

Is this the same in the wet.

To confuse us more, my tyre fitter claims he has received both Aussie and Jap manufactured versions in the same size.

Add this revelation taken from here

Yes the Bridgestone’s RE001 only have an 'outside' and are unidirectional, which may be why they are so skittish in the wet as on one side of the car they channel the water away from the tyre while the other side channels to the centre of the tyre. Strange but true.

My opinion, I have the Jap 205/45x16 on a stock NB8B and they appear OK in the wet. I have not pushed or found their limit (yet) .
They are heaps better than the Ventus SP Sports K104 (on a second set of rims) which will spin and slide at much lower speeds/throttle inputs.

[Sailor]

I put a set of Maxxis MAZ1 in a 205/45/17 on my NC when the PP2s that I wanted were not available in Oz last month.
They are absolutely one of the best tyres I've dríven on!
Quiet for a start, superb grip in the wet and dry with a very progressive feel when on their limit.
I run 32PSI all round.
I'll be very interested to see how long they last and whether they harden up after a while, but hey, realistically, how can what is considered a good performance tyre like the PP2 last 40,000k.

[PUR157]

FWIW I had a look at the Bridgestone website re: Adrenalins, some sizes are aussie made, some aren't

Take a look...
http://www.bridgestone.com.au/tyres/treads/Adrenalin.aspx

Click on the "Sizes for this Pattern"

I'm so lost as to what tyres I need next... thank goodness I don't drive that much...

[NMX516]

From what I have established from the various threads in this forum, the Aussie RE001's are crap and the Jap ones are great.

And that my friends is another reason why I will never buy Bridgestone again. How can they make the same model tyre for all intents and purposes, to the same spec, but have two completely different results??!! I pity the poor person who buys a set of RE001's and ends up with a mix of Aus made Friday arvo specials and Jap made ones.

[jerrah]

I didn't think you'd be allowed to run rims more than 2 inches larger than standard for the NA?

[Guran]

I've got Adrenalins on my NA6 and at the wet Wakefield track day last month, they had virtually no grip in the rear at the start of the day. Here's the proof:



Those first three spins were from my "out lap" in the first session. OK, the first two were probably caused by getting on the throttle too hard, but the third one (exiting the fishhook) was relatively unprovoked. After returning to the pits, I found my tyre pressures were down at around 36psi, and increased them to 40psi. I had far fewer problems after that. I have lots of camber on the rears (about 2 degrees was the most I could get with the stock set-up) and combined with low pressures on a wet track, seems to create very little grip especially on left-hand corners (due to the orientation of the tread pattern on the driver's side). In the dry, I have absolutely no complaints about Adrenalins.

Would I buy Adrenalins again? Yes. They are excellent in the dry, good in the wet with a normal wheel alignment (our Volvo has Adrenalins too - no problems with wet grip), reasonably cheap if you shop around, and being Australian made (most sizes) I much prefer to keep a bit more of my money in this country.

[stevesports]

maybe due to lack of heat in the tyres? I remember the outer edge of the tyre is more like a semi-slick, so it might require a bit of heat to get the grip up.

in any case, my fav is my current tyre. Advan Neova AD07's. Great when warmed up, but a bit rubbishy in the cold. Only disadvantage is that it wears quickly. It is also a superseded tyre, replaced with the AD08's which are apparently much better.

[Sailor]

Maybe you should get a set of slicks for wet days....

[rascal]

I just checked, and you're right................ so any views on 15's?

Are you going to be using these tyres on the road as well?
imo, try to keep a spare set for track and go for dedicated track tyres such as semi slicks, rather than top end road tyres.

Semi slicks are noisy as, and dont last 5 mins on the road, so I wouldnt recommend them for the road, but the difference between even the best road tyres and a set of semi slicks on the track is night and day... (I picked up 3 secs a lap alone at PI moving from Falken RT615 to Yoko A048s)

My personal vote is Toyo R888s in 205/50/15.
Thats what I run on my NB and I managed to break the vic club record for my class at PI by over a second so that says something about their worth..

my 2c.

[StanTheMan]

I didn't think you'd be allowed to run rims more than 2 inches larger than standard for the NA?

I think you'll find that a total myth or a view left back in the late 80's ADR did have a specific rule on that but that has been superseeded
were also talking NSW in this case. Unless of course it is a cams regulation. I'm not familiar with cams reg's.


but apart from that 15" will give you much bigger choice in tyres and cheaper. But thats another story. 16" are fine on an NA6/8 on nsw roads

[JMather]

Just got a set of toyo proxies R1-R 's on recomendation by friends. And my word thay are good! I may be *wrong* and have a a lot to learn or what ever but these tyres were fantastic! And not too expencive. Mind you they also weren't cheap.
I would recomend them to anyone who's car is their daily and track car.

[dorifta]

I've got Adrenalins on my NA6 and at the wet Wakefield track day last month, they had virtually no grip in the rear at the start of the day. Here's the proof:



Those first three spins were from my "out lap" in the first session. OK, the first two were probably caused by getting on the throttle too hard, but the third one (exiting the fishhook) was relatively unprovoked. After returning to the pits, I found my tyre pressures were down at around 36psi, and increased them to 40psi. I had far fewer problems after that. I have lots of camber on the rears (about 2 degrees was the most I could get with the stock set-up) and combined with low pressures on a wet track, seems to create very little grip especially on left-hand corners (due to the orientation of the tread pattern on the driver's side). In the dry, I have absolutely no complaints about Adrenalins.

Would I buy Adrenalins again? Yes. They are excellent in the dry, good in the wet with a normal wheel alignment (our Volvo has Adrenalins too - no problems with wet grip), reasonably cheap if you shop around, and being Australian made (most sizes) I much prefer to keep a bit more of my money in this country.

I used to run Adrenalins in the 32 (drift car), and I'd say they had fairly decent grip in the wet.

Don't mean to be rude (I have only owned my NB for less then a week now, haven't really pushed as hard as you have) but it looks like all your spin outs where due to driver error - wrong racing line (tyres are out in a wet line) and to need to be a little smoother on the turn in (avoid the ripple strip)!

And 40psi is wayyyy to much for the wet, I run 36/38 (dry) and 32/34(wet) on a 1300kg skyline with 8/6kg spring rates!

Try run around 32psi all over and see if there's an improvement.

-eMz

[Steve - Toyo Tyres]

I didn't think you'd be allowed to run rims more than 2 inches larger than standard for the NA?

NSW and most other states allow variance of + or - 15mm in overall diameter compared to the tyre sizes listed on the tyre placard. Where the wheel / tyre combination meets these regs it is legal. Replacement tyres must also have a load index that is at least the minimum stated on the tyre placard.

[Charlie Brown]

I simply cannot understand this at all, Phil. I've got RE001s on 2 very different cars, although both using 195/50x15s, and they stick beautifully in the wet. I'm wondering if there was something very wrong with whatever you had them on.

Sorry missed this one earlier.

The RE001s are currently on my NC and are the Aussie made 215x45x17’s.

My route to work has been the same for the last 4 years, so I have been able to comparing them in the wet on the same piece of inclined road and through some “interesting” corners many times. The RE001s have trouble getting grip from a standing start. The T1-Rs suffered less but still lost grip as the tread wore. The PP1’s had more grip than the T1-Rs but lost it also as they neared the end of their life but at least I could move off with other traffic with both the T1-R’s and the PP1’s.
It gets embarrassing when granny in a Camry on hard tyres besides you moves off without any trouble and you sit there feathering the throttle at 2,000rpm trying to get some grip. Then there’s the corners where at normal wet weather cornering speeds you run the risk of facing the other direction on the wrong side of the road.

Don't mean to be rude (I have only owned my NB for less then a week now, haven't really pushed as hard as you have) but it looks like all your spin outs where due to driver error - wrong racing line (tyres are out in a wet line) and to need to be a little smoother on the turn in (avoid the ripple strip)!

And 40psi is wayyyy to much for the wet, I run 36/38 (dry) and 32/34(wet) on a 1300kg skyline with 8/6kg spring rates!

Try run around 32psi all over and see if there's an improvement.

-eMz

Wet weather you should run more pressure that dry as it keeps the groves in the tyre open, decrease the contact patch size while increasing the pressure per square cm on the road thus reducing aqua planning and slippage.

[JMather]

OEM Toyo Trampions, followed by a set of Goodyear F1's, followed by Dunlop Sport MAXX and now (the best to date) Continental Contact 3's.

ive got Goodyear F1's on the rear and i was impressed with just peformance in mind but not no more. the compound it too hard. good wear but i felt like the worked better with higher psi the what most people would use. about 38 to 40 was good. mabey im crazy.