2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby greenMachine » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:39 am

Luke wrote:I would normally commend a car club for the amount of sessions we got, but what they did for that last run was just plain stupid, not to mention dangerous.

Who thought it would be a good idea to mix Clubmans and Radicals with Commodores and GTR's and Civics with time variances of 30 seconds a lap.
Was worse than what I've seen the NSWRRC do.

They had the time to divide it into 2-3 groups but they crammed it all into one lunatic session. Sort of glad they didn't let me run in it, as I was stuck in the pit lane waiting.


Sounds like one of the runs at a WRX Winton track day I attended. We were warned not to run in one session if we didn't like running in 'close company' - aka racing - and the start was on the grid, each row starting immediately after the one in front. Those WRXs were in 'take no prisoners mode', and it did get quite hairy.

I wonder what the CAMS (or AASA or whatever) stewards think about this. Guran's suggestion is a good one. Might be worth having a word with Mike too ... :wink:

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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby manga_blue » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:57 am

Running with open wheelers and quick clubmans is a lot safer than it feels at first. Do it a few times and you'll pick up confidence.

It's important to hold your normal racing lines. They're usually much faster and more agile than us and they don't have problems finding a way around us. They just need to know where you're going.

You need to use your mirrors a lot. They're also much lower and it's easy for them to get under your mirrors. I normally turn my mirrors down a fair bit lower than usual if I see them in the line-up.
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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby Luke » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:21 pm

manga_blue wrote:Running with open wheelers and quick clubmans is a lot safer than it feels at first. Do it a few times and you'll pick up confidence.

It's important to hold your normal racing lines. They're usually much faster and more agile than us and they don't have problems finding a way around us. They just need to know where you're going.

You need to use your mirrors a lot. They're also much lower and it's easy for them to get under your mirrors. I normally turn my mirrors down a fair bit lower than usual if I see them in the line-up.


Yes, I have no problem with them, with MX5's, MR2's, Elises etc as the size difference is not to great.
But with Commodores, Falcons, Porsches is just insane. Then put a corolla in the mix going 40 seconds a lap slower.
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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby mazmad » Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:27 pm

Point of clarification: what constitutes a 'Road Tyre' in the Cams Regs?

Being street legal? Toyo designate the R888s as a 'race tyre' yet they are legal for street use.

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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby Black_Penguin » Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:37 pm

My Garage Thread WP 1:16.1 SMSP South 1:10.0 WSID 15.6

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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby Charlie Brown » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:24 pm

From the State Supersprint Rules and Regs:

Race Tyres means and includes: -
(a) Racing slicks and/or
(b) any tyre marked "for racing use only”, or words to that effect and/or
(c) any tyre where the manufacturer has stated in writing that: -
(i) it is suitable for racing use only and/or (ii) it is suitable for use on the race track only and/or
(iii) it is not suitable for use on a public road or highway.


Road Tyres means tyres of the treaded type which, when fitted to the vehicle,
will permit it to be registered for normal road use in New South Wales. To be
considered as a treaded type, except at tread wear indicators, a tyre fitted to the
vehicle must have a moulded tread pattern at least 1.5 millimetres deep in a band
that runs continuously across the tyre width that normally comes into contact with
the road, and around the whole circumference of the tyre. Excluded specifically
from this definition of Road Tyres, are Race Tyres.

So treaded tyres, ie R-Spec's like R888, V70A, etc, etc are classified as Road Tyres. V710's aren't.

For the NSW MX5 Club track days, R-Specs aren't allowed in the Standard Classes. S-Spec tyres like Dunlop Star Spec, Kumho KU36, etc are allowed.
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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby Guran » Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:09 pm

Black_Penguin wrote:http://www.camsmanual.com.au/pdf/10_gen_req/GQ06_Schedule_E_2012-2.pdf I believe this is the accepted standard.

Yes, this is correct. At the CAMS NSW Supersprints, you can use any tyre from this list, or any lower spec normal street tyre. If the tyre you're looking at is regarded as a "track or competition" tyre but is not on the CAMS list, then you cannot use it. Note that some track/competition tyres are street legal in the USA, but are NOT street legal in Australia, eg. Kumho V710.

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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby Hjt » Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:38 pm

I don't think my car would be compliant with 2b or 2f. What class do people with aero mods compete in?

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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby Guran » Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:41 pm

Type SV I think. Check the vehicle regs.
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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby mazmad » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:26 am

Thanks all.

Out of interest, why does the club define the classes differently from the Cams classifications?


And yeah the SV class seems to be a large bucket that cars fall into if they don't match elsewhere. Main criteria ...

"The Category is intended for all Road Registered vehicles including Clubmans, Kit Cars, Replicas and those vehicles having modifications in excess of that allowed in Types 1 and 2.
1.2 Provided they comply with all other regulations for Type SV vehicles, there are no limitations on modifications to vehicles.
1.3 Only Road Tyres are permitted to be used."

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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby Guran » Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:48 am

mazmad wrote:Out of interest, why does the club define the classes differently from the Cams classifications?

That's a question best asked of Mike Hicks, since he alone decides the class rules for our club trackdays. But I'll attempt an explanation ...

1) Standard classes (1, 2, 3) are essentially the same as Type 1 except that the tyres need to be similar to OEM specification. It's essentially a showroom category with no performance enhancing mods allowed, including R-specs. It's the best entry point as you don't need to do anything to a stock car.

2) The engine capacity class divisions of CAMS are not followed because it makes more sense to divide our classes by model variant, NA, NB, NC, turbos, etc., or with more capacity divisions (splitting class B 1601-2000cc into 1.8L and 2.0L) since we get more cars than at Supersprints.

3) Our race car classes have always been poorly attended at club track days. Mike wanted to have more cars in it and also reduce the numbers in modified classes. So ...

4) The modified classes were the same as Class 2A and Class 2B until 18 months ago. Modified 1.8-2.0L class was getting huge with 15-20 cars at times. The changes made were done to ensure our fastest cars were competing against each other in the race car class, and the new breed of drivers in modified were given a chance to win something. Also 1.8L and 2.0L modified was split since the number of entrants warranted it.

5) Clubman class was added to give better alignment with the Victorian club classes. It is also an excellent entry level class which delivers performance parity for NA6, NA8, NB8A, NB8B, 10AE, etc. with only a handful of mods allowed. Having the top 5 cars all within a second proves how competitive this class is.

6) The more experienced Supersprint drivers tend to get "encouraged" to move up a class, even if their car is still eligible for a standard class. Examples are Ian Vickers and myself, and I suspect Glenn Thomas might be next. We still enjoy the close competition we find in Clubman class. :D

Essentially, the idea at our club trackdays is to have a range of evenly populated classes with the leading drivers doing similar times so there's some competition. It's more fun that way. And there are no sheep stations on the line! 8)
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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby mazmad » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:29 am

Got it, makes sense.

Maybe no sheep stations but no lack of competetive spirit from what I saw :)

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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby mazmad » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:30 am

No garages for the 16th Sept Sth circuit...... let's hope it is fine! :roll:

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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby PeterB » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:06 pm

Hjt wrote:I don't think my car would be compliant with 2b or 2f. What class do people with aero mods compete in?


For supersprints in NSW in a production based car like a MX5, Type 3 does allow limited non-factory aero - ie front and rear spoilers to a limited size.

Type 4 allows for more radical aero, light weight panels, etc. Fanta (NA6) was initially built to Prod Sports rules and was put into Type 4 due to no windscreen and fibreglass bonnet.

The new Time Attack class seems to allow virtually any mods
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Re: 2012 NSW Supersprint Championship

Postby Hjt » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:25 pm

I have a diffuser, I liked it more than the function aspect at the time. Spouse cutting your bumper would have a similar effect on aero.


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