NSW-Sydney-Royal National Park

kitkat · Postby **kitkat** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:58 am

Caffeine wrote:Most of the lower section has been given double lines, including sections that were once marked with broken lines for overtaking.

I thought that may have been the case... they have done similar things up here.

two40 · Postby **two40** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:21 am

Caffeine wrote:I see strings of 10 or more cars all following each other like sheep, because the car up the front is doing well under the speed limit, when plentiful safe overtaking opportunities, over broken white lines with good visibility, go unused...

But but but you're a dick head if you do that mate. :roll:

Reality is the front two cars were in tourist mode driving at about 40km/h and I had plenty of room to pass 6 cars if needed. See how much straight road there was after I joined my side of the road... There was nothing stupid about what I did and I'd do it again.

I thought there were provisions for overtaking on double white lines where it's deemed safe?

broady · Postby **broady** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:24 am

two40 wrote:I thought there were provisions for overtaking on double white lines where it's deemed safe?

Not as far as I know. Solid line = stay on your side of the road.

Old Dude · Postby **Old Dude** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:08 pm

two40 wrote:
Caffeine wrote:I see strings of 10 or more cars all following each other like sheep, because the car up the front is doing well under the speed limit, when plentiful safe overtaking opportunities, over broken white lines with good visibility, go unused...

But but but you're a dick head if you do that mate.

I thought there were provisions for overtaking on double white lines where it's deemed safe?

If the road has broken lines then it is deemed safe to overtake at that point and if you do it safely, your not a dick head, plenty of people still overtake in "legal" overtaking zones dangerously. The reason they have now double lines on that section was the number of accidents that have occurred there. I have also been the first to arrive after a head on, on the Bundeena road in a straight section ,it happens and the trauma this causes everybody for the sake of a bit of patience just isn't worth it.

What Broady said, If you cross double lines you are breaking the law, even if you are on your side of the road and wander over double lines and are seen by the police you can be fined.
Cheers
Dale

Caffeine · Postby **Caffeine** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:10 pm

two40 wrote:But but but you're a dick head if you do that mate.

I take it you're being sarcastic. I'm talking about overtaking where it's safe and legal, not one or the other.

I remember once, many moons ago, where on a particular non club drive, people with CB radios were advising if the road ahead was clear so that others could overtake over double white lines, and around blind corners. Perfectly safe for them, but the people they were overtaking weren't aware of the radio communications and were very shocked. Dodgy all round... Ended up with a car upside down and a very very upset truck driver.

gobsmax · Postby **gobsmax** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:53 pm

Did Natio last night after Ribs n Rumps, nice drive through there @ 10:30pm, stopped at Stanwell Tops, then headed back, got home 1pm....so tired! Saw some wildlife and almost got collected by a branch.

two40 · Postby **two40** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:04 pm

How many of you were there?

I was out there last night as well but a bit earlier with acidkid. Caught the fading sunlight and the extremely loud cicadas through the final section. They were deafening close to sunset. Also managed to murder about a hundred bugs with my windscreen on the way back.

gobsmax · Postby **gobsmax** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:05 pm

two NA's, two NB's and an SP23

Alex · Postby **Alex** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:25 am

gobsmax wrote:Did Natio last night after Ribs n Rumps, nice drive through there @ 10:30pm, stopped at Stanwell Tops, then headed back, got home 1pm....so tired! Saw some wildlife and almost got collected by a branch.

it took you 13+ hours to drive it

gobsmax · Postby **gobsmax** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:39 am

shut up and send me my hectik handbrake pic! :lol:

Alex · Postby **Alex** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:43 am

gobsmax wrote:shut up and send me my hectik handbrake pic!

Done
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Ando · Postby **Ando** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:55 am

Great vid. Thanks for that!

Garry · Postby **Garry** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:19 pm

Nine months ago it was perfectly legal to overtake on that part of the road. The safety Nazi's saw fit to paint double lines along that section of the road in their pointless attempts at slowing motorcyclists. If someone is prepared to ride at nearly double the speed limit through there then a little bit of paint isn't going to stop them passing there. It only penalises the law abiding motorists stuck behind tourist traffic doing well under the speed limit.

After yet another motorcycle death through there a few months ago and the guys mother declaring that because of all the corners anyone driving at the speed limit along that section of the road was a suicidal maniac the safety Nazi's have recently dropped the speed limit to walking pace destroying the last driver's road left in greater Sydney. With the marked increase in cyclists using that road as their training run it's only a matter of time till the next person dies along there even with the new slow speed limit. Some serious road work needs to be done to widen the road with a shoulder for cyclists to ride on. But of course the RTA wont do that, they will just lower the speed limit further. *sigh*

two40.....it's not real bright posting up video evidence of you breaking the law on the internet. You wouldn't be the first person charged with a traffic offence based on evidence taken off the internet. Just something to think about.

two40 · Postby **two40** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:25 pm

Garry wrote: With the marked increase in cyclists using that road as their training run it's only a matter of time till the next person dies along there even with the new slow speed limit. Some serious road work needs to be done to widen the road with a shoulder for cyclists to ride on. But of course the RTA wont do that, they will just lower the speed limit further. *sigh*

two40.....it's not real bright posting up video evidence of you breaking the law on the internet. You wouldn't be the first person charged with a traffic offence based on evidence taken off the internet. Just something to think about.

A shoulder for cyclists would be ideal but I don't see that happening. As a rider myself I respect them and always get a bit nervous seeing how close other drivers pass them.

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As for being charged... based on what evidence? I was just boasting that it was me. Was actually my mother driving that morning. :oops:

Point taken though Garry. Thanks.

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My eyes opened at 6am this morning and I immediately thought of a brief run. Was there within an hour. Weather was overcast but that didn't keep the cyclists away and neither the Elise club. There was a pack of around a dozen and they were moving. :shock:

They also had a Supra near the front and a Birkin Clubman.

Hjt · Postby **Hjt** » Sun May 29, 2011 10:07 pm

As for being charged... based on what evidence? I was just boasting that it was me. Was actually my mother driving that morning.
Point taken though Garry. Thanks

Don't sweat it mate, the amount of times my brother an myself have outpaced patrol cars thru there over the years, they have a lot more to worry about such as domestic violence etc than to hassle people over the interwebs.

Also i can't find the document for citation but evidence that is found on the internet can only be used as "supporting" evidence, and still requires a bases for claims.
My friends who work at Miranda LAC and Campsie LAC tell me many police officers go for drivers thru the park as a part of there advanced driver training. More or less self learning. Just be careful, and make sure you choose a time that is suitable for your driving such as early hours of the morning etc when the risks are lower for other cars, pedestrians, cyclists and law enforcement.

I do NOT recommend or endorse any illegal acts on public roads, such as speeding or reckless driving FYI